My point was that the war was intrinsically wrong and as a result of our participation we haven't improved Australia's security but created a greater danger at home and abroad.

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We talked about many issues like welfare is it the way of life or hand up? Talked about size of government how much should it tax families and small businesses? And when we left that lunch we got in the car and I looked over at Chuck and said 'I'll be damned. we're Republicans.'